19/12/2011 - "Valley of Se'Greth" by Cardi

[Mister_Prophet]

I would not say it was something to get angry over . Let's be honest here, most titles to community SP maps and packs are pretty ludicrous.

[Tarydax]

Because it's the direct sequel of Skaarj Tower S&F, duh.

It's about as much a sequel to Shadow and Fire as Unreal 2 is to Unreal.

[UB_]

Anything can be a sequel to Shadow and Fire since it had no proper story. The analogy is still terrible though because it's like saying that Fall of Seethe is bad - which is not.

[Tarydax]

You missed my point. And I'm not saying Fall of Seethe is bad, I'm saying that there's very little that connects it to Skaarj Tower.

A story isn't the only thing that connects sequels. I don't think Unreal 2 is bad on its own, but it's not Unreal. I don't think Fall of Seethe is bad either, but it's no Skaarj Tower. I don't see how the analogy is bad given that a lot of stuff Unreal had was missing in Unreal 2. The same can be said for Fall of Seethe when it comes to Skaarj Tower.

If Skaarj Tower: Fall of Seethe was just called "Fall of Seethe," I wouldn't have expected it to be like Skaarj Tower. If Unreal 2 had been called something else entirely, I wouldn't have expected it to be anything like Unreal.

Anything can be a sequel to Shadow and Fire since it had no proper story.

So The Tragedy could be a sequel to Shadow and Fire?

[UB_]

EDIT: Oh you were talking in that sense. Now I get the message. It's hard/maybe impossible to expect the same kind of quality by two different authors. Drew put all of his efforts in Conceptual Grandness/Build. Cardiologist took the classic Unreal Single Player-type approach.

Still, Cardiologist somehow took Skaarj Tower on the right way for me. He addressed all the things I didn't like about S&F (almost everything, except the conceptual grandness).

[TheIronKnuckle]

I would not say it was something to get angry over . Let's be honest here, most titles to community SP maps and packs are pretty ludicrous.

yeah, i was just sleepy/drunk when I wrote that Full time work really takes it out of you. Struggled for the right wording.

Both are good packs. The sequel just didn't feel like a sequel in any way. They are only very loosely coupled. Felt a tad decieved, but still enjoyed them both

[Hellscrag]

Drew was involved in this pack originally but had to pull out IIRC.

Love the music for this map, by the way, it fit the nighttime atmosphere perfectly.