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[Unreal 227J] The One

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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 06 Nov 2022, 16:35

As nice as a custom soundtrack would have been, I thought the Unreal music was used well. The use of WarGate for the intro was particularly inspired, it fit perfectly.

Preki wrote:Seriously I'm afraid all the mappacks I've seen so far will bleak in comparison, and what's more worrying, Firestorm might not live up to the years-long hype, even if I've got nothing against classic Unreal megapack experience.


Personally, I would rather see Firestorm released than retooled, especially if the goal of the latter would be to reach the standards set by The One. It would be virtually impossible to get the same density of scripted sequences in a larger campaign unless a ton of maps were cut.

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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 06 Nov 2022, 19:54

Preki wrote:It's really good to see new enemies and friendly NPCs alike. The beasts are really terryfing, like Pack Hunters on steroids, but amplified ASMD and flare arrows can quickly take care of them... If you're not mauled by them first. Also the new variants of Krall and bigger numbers of these foes made them formidable opponents rather than walking Rifle target practice they were in the original game. Still I wish there would be more Skaarj encounters. And thank God there are no Spinners within the underground ruins, I hate these buggers.

There could have been more Skaarj, I agree. I decided to focus largely on the Krall as the main antagonists early on, as they're the ones invading the island.
There are still some Skaarj and Brutes present as I absolutely had to break the monotony of facing only Krall. Lore wise I've just put these down as independent observers/specialists ensuring that their Krall minions do their jobs. And nice to hear that you (everyone so far) liked the new enemy additions, I'm happy that they break the monotony of applying the usual tactics facing the regular unreal opponents.
Also there are no spinners because I've kind of grown tired of them after having them in about every FS map :lol: Alternatively I could have put down pupae, but lore wise I felt that wouldn't have made much sense with the lackluster Skaarj presence on the island let alone the underground.


Preki wrote:As for the music, yep, the mod is in dire need of new tracks, but not quite new tracks. Remember Nali Chronicles, right? Original tracks for this add-on were composed in a tracker and heavily used samples from Unreal OST. It's new music, but thanks to these samples it still holds that unique atmosphere of Unreal. Toxeen did the same when he scored songs for Operation: Na Pali. The problem is that not many musicians these days use trackers to compose music and with the 227 patch you don't really need to use module files anymore, but I would prefer to have a soundtrack composed in a tracker anyway.

New music is something I would have loved for The One. But exactly for the reasons you mentioned I decided not to focus on that. It would have been very difficult to do/find someone who had time to spend creating pieces that exactly replicates that unreal atmosphere, even more so when we're talking about tracker musicians in the modern age of DAW musicians. :B


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Preki wrote:BIG SPOILER!! Do NOT open before finishing the game! You've been warned! I just had to share this with Turboman (though it would be better to PM him about this).


I'm fine with discussing the plot in this thread rather than a PM as long as we keep it spoiler-tagged, it might provide insight for other people wondering about the same thing. :)

Once you've seen all the flashbacks, spoke to all the "mandatory" NPC's, such as the ones that appear to you in the dreams, you should have enough information to tie the plot together. Most of the exposition is tucked into the main sequences after all.

Something we already know from the non-spoiler synopsis from the thread main post: The One is a powerful malevolent Deity that was imprisoned in the underground beneath the island. Yet even from its prison it's powers still seep through the island. Those who linger about too close to its domain are afflicted by a curse.

The story could have a lot of interpretations and my own thoughts on it are just another person trying to interpret a mishmash of these strange random imagery. I'll just explain some things that we can discern a little from the events that occured during your journey.

Spoiler territory ahead, don't read if you haven't finished it:
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As far as the incomprehensibility of the story goes, when building this I've been influenced a little bit too much by David Lynch movies and games such as Silent Hill or Cry of Fear. Hence why it gets pretty bizarre out there with the "visions" and the NPC dialogue getting quite cryptic near the end. :P

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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 07 Nov 2022, 20:54

AlCapowned wrote:Personally, I would rather see Firestorm released than retooled, especially if the goal of the latter would be to reach the standards set by The One. It would be virtually impossible to get the same density of scripted sequences in a larger campaign unless a ton of maps were cut.

Now I'm not saying to rework the entire megapack, I just hope Firestorm will be worth the wait after all these years.

Turboman wrote:I apologize to everyone who plays on unreal difficulty

I played on Hard difficulty, and it was a random choice if anything else. I just had Hard selected and rolled with it.

Speaking once again about music - did you consider using the beta tracks like "Dark Presence", "Unreal #12", "Solitary Shilouette" or "Unreal Suspense"? I think the latter could work in the hub areas for daytime, while "Solitary Shilouette" would be great for night time instead of "Unreal #7" from the retail game.
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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 08 Nov 2022, 21:34

Preki wrote:Speaking once again about music - did you consider using the beta tracks like "Dark Presence", "Unreal #12", "Solitary Shilouette" or "Unreal Suspense"? I think the latter could work in the hub areas for daytime, while "Solitary Shilouette" would be great for night time instead of "Unreal #7" from the retail game.


I didn't really consider that, although I've heard it before that beta or RTNP tracks might have fit well in The One. But since it all kind of began as an homage to certain classic custom maps, I've actually took my musical inspiration from those map packs. I've literally taken cues from Nali Cove, One Day, Shrakitha and Tashara's Cove. :o

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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 14 Nov 2022, 20:45

Great job. Simply perfect.

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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 16 Nov 2022, 08:19

Dear Turboman,

May I have your permission to take textures used for your Nali to make skins for bots and players?

Team Colors shouldn't be an issue.

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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 17 Nov 2022, 23:36

evilgrins wrote:Dear Turboman,

May I have your permission to take textures used for your Nali to make skins for bots and players?

Team Colors shouldn't be an issue.


Sure, you have my approval! :tup:

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Subject: Re: [Unreal 227J] The One

Post Posted: 21 Nov 2022, 06:59

Thankees!!

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